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The G-Man
04-09-2011 09:13 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-10-2011 09:21 AM by Joshua.)
Joshua
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The G-Man
"Some summoners say have made the claim
That my boy Garen's got too much game
When he hits the field they can't win
If the G-Man's there to take them for a spin
They say he should take a hike
Garen shuts them up with a decisive strike
The enemy team wishes you were a leaver
Garen's here son, you'll just be a feeder"

Anyway, you probably already know I´m in love with Garen.
I just feel like sharing the way I play him.

Introduction

Garen´s awesome. Fact. Why? He has a scarf. No further questions, your Honor.
Anyway, I play him as Tank/DPS hybrid. This is because Garen´s damage output comes from his abilities, mostly from Judgement. So we don´t need AS (attack speed, for those you who doesn´t know), and the normal DPS builds go for AS, Crit and Damage.
So that leaves us with ArP (Armor Penetration). There aren´t many items that offer ArP for abilities. Last Whisper only works on auto attacks (Yeah, it sucks)NOTE: Seems that LW not working on abilities was a bug, and now it´s fixed. So all that´s left is Yoummu´s and Brutalizer. And you can´t stack those items, as the ArP is an unique passive. Sooo, why not give Garen defensive items? That way we can kill and be unkillable.

Masteries
I like to go 14/16/0
Offense: Deadliness(3), Cripple(1), Sorcery(4), Archaic Knowledge(1), Sunder(3) and Offensive Mastery(2)
Defense: Resistance(3), Hardiness(3), Evasion(4), Nimbleness(1), Harden Skin(3) and Veteran Scars(2)

I don´t feel that the rest of the Offensive masteries are useful on him, and that extra defense is always good

Runes
For runes i use:
9 Marks of Desolation
9 Seals of Evasion
9 Glyphs of Focus
3 Quintessences of Desolation


ArP is a must, it will give you an insane early game, granting you many kills.
The dodge chance is really useful, and believe it or not, it can help you get kills. You have Nimbleness, right? Imagine this: you´re chasing a really low enemy, a minion attacks you, you dodge the attack. Speed boost. Kill.
And now about Glyphs. CR is also a must. I prefer the flat CR over the scaling ones. Why, you ask? Well, Garen excels in early and mid game, scaling runes are better in the late game, but you want to end the game before you start becoming less and less useful. Flat CR is the best choice.
However, this is a personal choice, feel free to change whatever you want.

Summoner Spells
These are personal choices, but I like using Exhaust and Ignite. Always remember to use ignite BEFORE the Demacian Justice. This will prevent really low champs who barely survived your Ult to flash away and escape.

Skill Order
Demacian Justice > Judgement > Decisive Strike > Courage

I always start with Judgement, and I level it up each time I can. If you can´t, go for Decisive Strike. Also make sure to pick your Ultimate as soon as possible, and always level it up as a priority.

Items

I always start with the boots and 3 health potions. You NEED the speed, it´s your best way to initiate and escape right now. The potions help you stay longer in the lane (and with your innate, your HP will go up like crazy).
Craft the normal boots into Boots of Swiftness as soon as you can, because like I said earlier, YOU NEED THE SPEED. By now you should probably have your decisive strike, so you should be able to chase enemies fairly easily.
The next item you should buy is Sunfire Cape. It gives a nice bonus of HP and Armor. Also the constant magic damage together with your Judgement will make farming creeps incredibly easy.
Next, you should go for The Brutalizer. It is quite cheap, and gives what garen needs: ArP, CR and Damage. DON´T GO FOR YOUUMU´S YET.
The next item I like is Aegis of the Legion, as it gives you a nice bonus of Armor, Magic Resist and HP.
Now, we need the extra damage, so you better finish that Youumu´s Ghostblade (Don´t forget to use its active passive to push towers!)
The next item I think is situational:
If the enemy team has some melees that can hurt, buy Randuin´s Omen (Randuin´s Omen is MADE for Garen. HP, Armor, HP regen, CR and a Slow. Amazing)
If they deal serious magic damage, buy Force of Nature.
Now your build should look like:
Boots of Swiftness
Sunfire Cape
Youumu´s Ghostblade
Aegis of the Legion
Randuin´s Omen or Force of Nature

The last item I get changes from match to match. Sometimes is a good idea to either buy the one you didn´t make for the 5th item (If you bought Randuin´s, go for Force of Nature, and if you went for Force of Nature, buy Randuin´s)
BUT, if you feel like buying another stuff, here are my other choices:
- If the enemies keep escaping , I buy Frozen Mallet (Slow on hit, HP and Damage). People think it´s not good on Garen, but if you initiate with Decisive Strike the slow will keep em in range for your Judgement. Keep in mind that the slow only works with AUTO ATTACKS, so Judgement will NOT slow.
- If you want to punish even more your enemies, buy Atma´s Impaler. It gives you Armor, Critical Chance, and converts 2% of your maximum health into Attack Damage. 2%? Seems like nothing, but it is a LOT. Let´s do some math:
Base Health at 18: 2183
Sunfire Cape: 450
Aegis of the Legion: 270
Randuin´s Omen: 300
Total: 3203 HP
2% of 3203= 64 Attack Damage.
64 AD, 18% Crit Chance and 45 Armor, only for 2405 gold! Nice.
- If you feel like being an unkillable god, go for Warmogs Armor. Some people say it only works on pure tanks, but the G-Man can wear it quite efficiently. If this is your last item, you should have a nice ammount of Armor and Magic Resist. All the extra Hp Warmog´s gives it´s just Overkill.
- If you´re having trouble with debuffs (such as stuns, fears, taunts and even being suppresed) you should buy Quicksilver Sash. It gives you a nice chunk of Magic Resist for it´s cheap price, and also its active can remove debuffs, even Ignite. It´s like an awesomer version of Cleanse.

The End
That´s all I can think a guide should have, feel free to ask anything. I´m open to listening your opinions and stuff



Lock in your characters and let me explain
The tale of a man who's caused so much pain
Demacia is the place he was raised
If you listen to me you'll be quite amazed
To learn why he's the king of the Rift
The enemy, they're all scared stiff
The heart of a team on mid lane pushes
The reason your foes stay out of the bushes.
The heat of a battle, Garen appears
Down the top lane runs a river of tears
A beacon of light, watch his enemies run
On his back eighteen cloaks of the sun
The lane seems clear but it's hard to say
Is he in the bushes, is he MIA?
It's team fight time, he'll lead the charge
His scarf is long his sword is large.
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04-10-2011 09:31 AM
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RE: The G-Man
Seems like a really tanky build offering not much damage with simply the core items. I feel like when Garen doesn't do damage he is simply ignored. I don't like building Garen this tanky but that's just me.


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04-10-2011 09:47 AM
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RE: The G-Man
It seems pretty viable but yeah, its a bit too much tank for my liking.


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04-10-2011 09:54 AM
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RE: The G-Man
I know what you mean, but Garen´s damage output is just insane. Believe me, even if you make this build you will get lots of kills.
Right now the server is down, but wenever I can I will post some of my latest scores



Lock in your characters and let me explain
The tale of a man who's caused so much pain
Demacia is the place he was raised
If you listen to me you'll be quite amazed
To learn why he's the king of the Rift
The enemy, they're all scared stiff
The heart of a team on mid lane pushes
The reason your foes stay out of the bushes.
The heat of a battle, Garen appears
Down the top lane runs a river of tears
A beacon of light, watch his enemies run
On his back eighteen cloaks of the sun
The lane seems clear but it's hard to say
Is he in the bushes, is he MIA?
It's team fight time, he'll lead the charge
His scarf is long his sword is large.
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04-10-2011 10:51 AM
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RE: The G-Man
I like to build Garen by rushing Guardians, if I'm taking a a lot of damage i get a QSS or Thornmail (but usually just QSS). Then boots of swiftness, with last whisper and then just damage with a BF or two upgrading them to a Thirster or Cleaver later. Garen has a 1.5 AD ratio on his Q with 1.2 bonus AD on his E. In my opinion the more AD on Garen the better. Guardians gives me enough survivability with 68 armor and 38 magic resist and a revive. Last Whisper+Bloodthirster+Black Cleaver = 155-195 AD with 40% armor pen and an extra 15-45 reduced armor on attack (and you have another item slot to play with). Also if your going to post your stats post the stat breakdown I'd like to see how much damage you do with your build.


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04-10-2011 11:33 AM
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I´m not sure about Bloodthirster´s lifesteal working on abilities, actually I´m pretty sure it doesn´t work.
And now, this is dps/hybrid guide. I know you can play a fully DPS Garen, and get many many kills.
The reason I choose the tank stuff is to be a tougher enemy. Garen´s a bruiser, he can take some damage and punish at the same time, but if you don´t give items to help him survive longer you´ll be focused and killed right away. GA is a nice item on Garen, but I never felt like i needed it. With this build I don´t die in situations in which reviving would have helped. If I die, it is because it was a 3v1 or even more, and reviving in these situations is useless. I think you shouldn´t even consider dying.
And to get all those items you need to have a REAAAAALLY long match, and that´s never good on Garen. You really want to end the game ASAP. With this build they always surrender when I finished making The Brutalizer. If you´re actually capable of building GA, QSS, Boots of Swiftness and Two B.F. Swords the match is getting way too long.
This is just my way of playing Garen, and I´ve tried a lot of ways. I even tried going for IE as the second item after the boots. I went for fully AD, for insane ammounts of HP, full tank, even AS Garen. The one I think is the best is this DPS/Tank hybrid


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Lock in your characters and let me explain
The tale of a man who's caused so much pain
Demacia is the place he was raised
If you listen to me you'll be quite amazed
To learn why he's the king of the Rift
The enemy, they're all scared stiff
The heart of a team on mid lane pushes
The reason your foes stay out of the bushes.
The heat of a battle, Garen appears
Down the top lane runs a river of tears
A beacon of light, watch his enemies run
On his back eighteen cloaks of the sun
The lane seems clear but it's hard to say
Is he in the bushes, is he MIA?
It's team fight time, he'll lead the charge
His scarf is long his sword is large.
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