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Tanks and Non-Tanks
03-18-2011 11:07 AM
Grunghole
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Tanks and Non-Tanks
This discussion always pops up on the League of Legends official forums, and I figure it's a nice one to have in general.

It's the question "Who is a tank, anyways?"

The rule of thumb I usually use to tell if somebody's a tank is you say to yourself, " Alright, we need somebody to force the other team to fight. Who do I bring?"

Real tanks:
Shen dash-taunts.
Galio and Amumu AoE ult.
Alistar walks in and pulverizes their entire team and headbutts the carry.
Blitz pulls somebody.
Gragas ults everybody together.
Rammus rolls in and taunts the carry.
Maokai roots a guy, then ults their team when they decide to fight.

Not actually tanks:
Mundo walks in the fight, everybody leaves.
Nunu ults, everybody leaves, Nunu shoots a snowball at their behinds.
Morde walks up to them, everybody walks back to their towers, kills the minions he's pushing.
Garen runs up and spins, everybody leaves.

etc

What do you guys think?


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03-18-2011 11:21 AM
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RE: Tanks and Non-Tanks
I think a lot of it is people taking the term meatshield and substituting tank for it. As you said there are tanks and misconception tanks, but even then I still don't think blitz is a tank, but then again I've seen some people build up into getting high mana and becoming invincible when his mana shield starts.

There are also a few other non-tanks that people confuse to be a tank, like Nasus, Vlad, Ren, Xin.

Then there are those who try being carries as a tank like Jarvan....all i see are people building into DPS under the misconception that he'll make a good dps carry. He's a tank and is pretty damn awesome if you treat him as such.


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03-18-2011 11:49 AM
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RE: Tanks and Non-Tanks
(03-18-2011 11:21 AM)Silphon Wrote:  but even then I still don't think blitz is a tank,

He's a tank because he can initiate a teamfight like nobody's business. Certainly you've seen the chaos that ensues when he lands a good hook.

If he hooks somebody and their entire team comes over, they've got to fight, essentially, a 4v5 because Blitz has yanked somebody into a horrible position and he's already landed his uppercut and stuff.

If they don't come over, he's assassinated somebody more than likely.
There are also a few other non-tanks that people confuse to be a tank, like Nasus, Vlad, Ren, Xin.

(03-18-2011 11:21 AM)Silphon Wrote:  Then there are those who try being carries as a tank like Jarvan....all i see are people building into DPS under the misconception that he'll make a good dps carry. He's a tank and is pretty damn awesome if you treat him as such.

Jarvan's an interesting case, in my opinion. His CC is low, except for his ult, and he doesn't really benefit from starting teamfights. His entire kit is great at beating up a guy, or at mangling the enemy's carry, so I definately wouldn't call him a tank. He can initiate if he likes with his ult, but it's a lot more useful for putting the finishing blow on something, in my opinion. It has the same tactical uses as Veigar's cage, except it traps Jarvan in it as well, you know?


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03-18-2011 12:14 PM
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RE: Tanks and Non-Tanks
Well with Jarvan, I mostly save his ult for saving people, there is always that lone idiot on a team that gets left out there and is beiing chased down, so what i do is ult on them, and flag pull myself out, and keep running, or if you're working with nunu, a lot can be devistating like trapping the entire team with you and nunu popping his ult, so much devistation. Also what happens at lot, from what I've seen, is if used right, his ult causes mass hysteria, a lot of the time people panic, abandoning their teammate to die. But what I like to do is flag pull myself to start a fight as long as my team is following up, then use his shield, and just focus, his shield has a relatively short cooldown so i just keep popping it each time its up during the fight, and success is usually brought, the squishies have a hard time getting out, and if they do, their tanks are left behind because you usually chase them out, then you get to pummel the tank with your ult + your team all inside.

So from that perspective is how I see Jarvan as a tank.


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03-18-2011 02:16 PM
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RE: Tanks and Non-Tanks
Maokai a tank? I really can't see that as his only tank skill is his Ult and that's it.
Even then a smart team just leaves the circle and fights outside of it or uses long range to hit enemies in the circle. You might want to also note that when Mao uses his root on someone he'll follow anywhere such as the enemy tower if the champion can move fast enough or even if he just flashes towards their tower putting him in danger.

Also your idea of a tank is a bit misleading...there's initiators, tanks, and tanky initiators...true enough sometimes tank are the same as an initiator but their not always the same thing. One could theoretically start a fight with Cassiopeia walking in and Ulting which would stun the whole team allowing the Cass's team a free attack on them. Heck, even Teemo can technically start a fight by placing a shroom in a bush where the enemy happens to walk into in the attempt to gank and with the shroom exploding revealing them thus forcing the enemy to engage or run both choices risking a counter-attack.



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03-18-2011 02:28 PM
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Maokai is definitely a tank, but he's a different kind of tank. He's a strong anti-mage tank. If the other team a bunch of AP hard hitters, he's going to wreck them. Just his role as an overall take is very stand-off toward meta, but early game he's a beast. I'd say he's a solid off-tank support, but I wouldn't ever expect a maokai to fend off an entire team, that's just insane.


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03-18-2011 02:34 PM
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RE: Tanks and Non-Tanks
Okay I agree with you there; off-tank support role.

I remember facing some of the earlier Mao's as they didn't realize you had to activate the ult a 2nd time if they wanted the damage to hit me XD I'd just run in and kill 'em.

His early game is okay but late game...eh.



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03-18-2011 02:38 PM
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RE: Tanks and Non-Tanks
Mao's ult is a big issue for me, not because it takes a certain % off damage, but that deactivate damage, its fairly weak. I mean for an entire team to sit in that ring and fight, a lot of damage is going to be subtracted and supposed to be applied to its burst on deactivate, but when you do bother to deactivate it, even AP mao's hardly get any damage from it. But I guess no one really complains for its primary use, so in that respect i guess i understand, just wish they'd appropriately adjust the tool tip, because even at lvl 4 for his ult it says like 400 + _______ i believe and it hardly even reaches those numbers.


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03-18-2011 02:43 PM
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RE: Tanks and Non-Tanks
I used to think a tank is any champion that can stay in battle long enough and can take quite a beating before dying. Now that you mention it, you convinced me otherwise. No one wants to focus a "tank" because it'll just take forever to kill, so if you're not taking damage for the team, you're not really a tank.



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03-18-2011 02:53 PM
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RE: Tanks and Non-Tanks
Well Sunaori, yes and no. See there are two types of actual tank classes (not talking about the off-tank and etc)

There are those with taunt and initiation abilities like malphites roar of doom ;D (I love the sound it makes when you ult with him) or Jarvan's ultmate, who are extremely annoying to go around because no matter what your going to be attacking them, those are your traditional sets of tanks.

Then there is the more effective tanks imo, who are basically just considered the Alistar, who are severely annoying and are completely ignored, but at the same time you can't ignore him. This goes for Gragas as well. They will toss around your team like dolls and if you don't bother to work around them and find ways to counter them, you're going to lose teamfights. Alistar will send teammates flying, your once perfect ambush in the jungle now has your entire team stunned and your carry accidentally engaging baron because of a well placed headbutt or barrel toss.

In my opinion the latter half of the tank section is better because doesn't matter if you have taunts and pop ups, you can still regain ground and cover your teammates, but with gragas and alistar your team formation is screwed and without that you can't win a single team fight. I'm hoping they stop with all these mages and meaty carries and start adding more inventive champions like gragas and alistar, whether they be tanks or just different types of support and cannon fodder champions.


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