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Opinions on Him
03-17-2011 09:52 PM
flamedance58
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Well since his release I've heard the usual bits of how he's OP or how he's OP but a lil change and he'd be fine and how he's similar to how Vlad when he came out.

I do think he's a lil OP just because his Q grants him +60AD, though the MSPD bonus isn't a big deal as he is supposed to be an assassin type who specializes in chasing down champs. I've heard some complains about his E's range but honestly it's not that long if you consider it's 600px and that's the same as Morgana's and Le Blanc's is 900px XD

He's quite fun as a jungle/ganker but I still find it hard to jungle as him as I almost die at blue and I've died to it before. The ruins I have for him are Armor Pen Reds, Armor/Level Yellows, and ASPD Blues. I've seen people like Redwall suggest two racks of your runes to be ASPD and one to be flat armor and then start with a Vamp Scepter.

What's your take on him?



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03-17-2011 10:17 PM
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I haven't really seen any problems. He's a problem when he gets fed, but who isn't? He requires a pretty uncoordinated team to really take advantage of what he does, since he doesn't actively create any sort of assassination opportunities like Shaco or Akali.

The range on his ult is pretty cool, though.


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03-17-2011 10:29 PM
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(03-17-2011 10:17 PM)Grunghole Wrote:  I haven't really seen any problems. He's a problem when he gets fed, but who isn't? He requires a pretty uncoordinated team to really take advantage of what he does, since he doesn't actively create any sort of assassination opportunities like Shaco or Akali.

The range on his ult is pretty cool, though.

Pretty much all of this, a lot of people would be calling him OP mainly because of the dash on his ult, but there's not much difference if it was any other assassin. (Akali, Shaco). His ult mainly punishes over extending which most people shouldn't even be doing in the first place. I'm personally saying he's fine as he is right now, he's great a ganking (which is what he's mainly supposed to be doing) and a really solid DPS, in my opinion.


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03-17-2011 10:42 PM
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If anything, he needs a tweak on his passive making it 5-6 seconds 10 is just a bit meh, and not really effective in an overall fight, which imo is why he was given such a passive that literally has no synergy with the rest of his skill set.

A lot of complaints of him being overpowered, is typical new champion grief. People think that the game is still the same when nocturne is on the other team, but its not, Nocturne literally changes how you are supposed to lane and defend. No one is safe from him, but because of this he also lacks greatly. A lot of the time nocturne's blow their ult on pointless kills that could've just required his q or his fear to handle. Other times he is simply out dps'd because Nocturne when in team fights, requires his own team to be aware of how he actually works. He's definitely not a one man team, but early game he can pretty much be a terror on the likes of a lvl 6 fiddle, just a lot faster and a lot more paranoia to go around.

He is definitely not OP because even when fed, I've seen him crash and burn hard because of heavy focus and people realizing that traveling alone or spread out is a BAD idea. He's a nice refreshing change, and the only change he honestly needs is a decreased timer on his passive and maybe an increased cd on his ult at lvl 4, because with some CDR he can pop his ult almost as fast as lux's, which is a bit overwhelming from how i've seen it when playing as him.


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03-18-2011 02:21 AM
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I agree on the passive that even if it's just 10 sec and auto-attacks lower it by 1 sec per attack it's quite long even then. In jungling I find it too long as I get wittled down by spawns quite easily (Blue almost kills me and even Stonewall suggests a vamp scepter).

If anything I would of liked him to have a natural life steal on all auto-attack evens if it's like 5% or something similar to WWs.

His Ult's CD is fine as it is if anything a small increase of the cool down as the Ult is only for chasing down or finishing off a wounded champion, even if it can be used more often than most ults it doesn't make it broken in any sorts.

On your statement of it being "new champ grief" a friend told me that he treats Nocturne just like how he treats Vlad when he first came out. He's annoying to fight against, maybe even lane against, but it's purely because his style of play is totally different than everyone else.
One of my friends said that they'd nerf his damage, or the ult'd damage, or even his ghost-ish buff from the trail but I highly doubt it as they made him to do that on purpose as he's the guy to pick off stragglers or finish off wounded foes. To remove that would be to unmake him.



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03-18-2011 10:23 AM
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From what I heard, Reds are standing strong on telling the whiners to shut up and learn how to play against him, because really he's not OP at all. His trail is an initiator if none of your moronic team bothers to initiate (so it requires it to do some beefy damage. His ult, despite what you might thin, does do a lot of devastating damage, I damn near kill squishes with one ultimate leap, which is why i ask for a longer cooldown. What i do is bring a arm pen page + AD, and grab brutalizer right away, then trade off for last whisper or build into ghostblade (the armpen makes his ultmate do crazy damage on initiation.

For now I hope they leave nocturne alone, i don't want to go through LeBlanc all over again, nerf him to uselessness, realize the community was extremely stupid and wrong, then revert her 3 months later.


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03-18-2011 10:58 AM
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(03-18-2011 10:23 AM)Silphon Wrote:  i don't want to go through LeBlanc all over again, nerf him to uselessness, realize the community was extremely stupid and wrong, then revert her 3 months later.

LeBlanc was far too strong on release, and the hotfixes put her in a relatively balanced place. 3 months later, after almost zero changes, she's suddenly "balanced" now, despite everybody on the forums crying about how she was nerfed to uselessness. Seriously, go check the patch notes on LeBlanc and tell me they reverted anything.


This is all awfully tangential, though.


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03-18-2011 11:28 AM
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Eh you could be right, I honestly haven't picked her up between her nerf and the random hotfixes she's had. I honestly never cared as much, op or balanced, she is fun. Just last week when i played her, she felt like she was back to the old leblanc, ulting ever 10 seconds pretty much, blowing up anyone who bothered to get in range. But I could be wrong.

I just don't want to see Nocturne changed because forum babies can't deal with the fact that assassins are being assassins. It's not like he's got a rolling thunder build that wipes out an entire team, he does his job of mutilating squishes and pushing lanes. If people can't handle that, I don't get why he should be nerfed. Which is why I was aggravated with nerfs like Ezreal or Twitch.


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03-18-2011 02:22 PM
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If they nerf Nocturne I hope they just balance him out because if you nerf an assassin for doing his job then go back and nerf Akali, Le Blanc, etc.

Heck I might even go so far as complain via customer service for a refund as the cool champ is shit. (This is supposing they pull a Twitch on him).

I love how people QQ about his E's range XD...it's 600px...LeBlanc's is fucking 900px. As for his Ult if you complain about the range then maybe you should remember his counterpart TF who's range is the entire fucking map and gives vision on everyone which screws the enemy's chance of backdooring, ganking, dragonning/baronning,etc. He can also warp right to your Nexus if he wanted to :P
-Also seen complaints that his Fear is too long...it's 2sec maxed...that's the same as Shen's Taunt.

Complaints about the Ult's damage which is also BS as it's similar to Cait's Ult in range and damage, heck Cait's will still fire and hit if the target is out of the max range while Nocturne still needs LoS to do so.

Lotsa Q_Q about his Q which is pissing me off because they keep complaining about what makes him an assassin...maybe we should start Q_Qing about Rammus having such high defenses.



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03-18-2011 02:32 PM
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I laugh at the fear complaints it takes 2-3, if not even 5 seconds it seems for the fear to even proc...which is sad any one is complaining because firstly fiddle has an instant fear, and maxed out that fear feels hella long without merc treads. If you can't temporarly break that tether then that's your own fault for not playing smart.

One thing I have noticed though despite other champions having this effect is, I was playing as Kass once and Annie another, when I stunned or silenced him his tether never broke, it still persisted, unlike other champions if you stun or silence, it instantly ends the tether cast. So I would like them to fix that.


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