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Get Your Speed on!
03-18-2011 10:17 AM
Silphon
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Get Your Speed on!
Alright, boot discussion.

This is a much needed debate, because even I play this game different sometimes (the boot game). What are people's issues with boots? Any imbalances or frustrations? What are your favorite boots?! (merc treads are an auto favorite, so pick something else)

Personally, I have issues with zerker, Reds have said forever ago they were going to look into em around the start of Season one, now 7-8 months later, here we are. I wish they offered more for a DPS carry because the attack speed just isn't that much, its to the point where I don't even bother with it anymore on a carry, and just build my way up to a phantom dancer first, since the speed is much better and the bonus are nicer (plus building up to one first over zerker gives much more than the boots.

So now, Discuss!


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03-18-2011 10:36 AM
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RE: Get Your Speed on!
Berzerker Greaves are a top item in high level play because the early attack speed boost means that you have an edge in fights. Or so I understand. I used to feel the same way, but they're really, really cheap and provide a noticeable increase in attack speed, so you can focus more on damage instead of building attack speed.

Realistically, they're the only boots you should really need on a carry, since your positioning and timing should be good enough that you're not getting pegged by any CC or nukes or anything.

I think my favorite boots are probably Boots of Swiftness, because they're plain Jane speedyboots. I have movespeed quintessences, so when I roll with them, I'm faster than just about everybody else in the game.

Also: Please, don't get P-Dancers before your boots. That's silliness.


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03-18-2011 10:56 AM
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But but :< the speed is vitrually the same! Half the time I forget that i want dancers first and end up grabbing merc out of reflex. The only time I ever grab dancers is when I play yi and whenever i feeling being moronic n Nocturne, other than that grabbing them first or at all is usually forgotten 2 minutes into a match Biggrin


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03-18-2011 11:05 AM
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RE: Get Your Speed on!
high ranked people do not consider Berz. boots as a "top" item.

we can always say, "yoyo, a carry is hiding in brush and picking off enemies while a main tank aggroes every single enemies because he is a tank, so a carry should not go any HP item."

lolno doesn't really work that way.

also; please, don't say u r wrong or u r doing it wrong cuz u r not thinking what i am thinking.

this is a game where there are 100+ items and you can choose w.e. you want to build as long as you want to.

i can just say you are shit at this game because i never get BoS cuz its silly since other

boots have better stats.

or maybe i can say u r dumb cuz u never go for ragebalde as akali

since i used to main akali and know how good it is.

Boots is a basic item, but can affect game play in a huge way. it is a very situational item.

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03-18-2011 01:35 PM
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RE: Get Your Speed on!
I'm shit at this game, because I like boots of swiftness.

I like being able to catch people fleeing from a battle, and I like being able to usually escape if need be. Skirmishing's pretty fun too, if you're ranged, and they're melee, you can kite. It's part of what makes Teemo so annoying, he's got the extra passive movespeed.

On the flipside, if I'm melee it allows me to close the gap alittle faster which can mean all the difference. Like Cho feasting for a kill, or Galio trying to get in position for an ult.

Defensively speaking, BoS can also prevent a fair amount of damage by allowing you to dodge skill shots. It's hilarious to dodge every spell Lux tosses at you.


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03-18-2011 01:48 PM
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RE: Get Your Speed on!
I don't know =/ there are just so many other options to get to boost your chase, escape speed, like FoN and Dancers, BoS is just a waste of an item, except for that ealy game boost of speed that you get that eventually dissipates during meta-game. But I wouldn't go as far as to say people suck if they grab em, I would urge them to grab dancers or FoN instead, but that's all.

Edit: Ghostblade also, one of the better melee carry items a lot of people neglect, boosting speed and aspd every few seconds is like having a lesser ghost with a cool sound effect.


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03-18-2011 02:01 PM
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RE: Get Your Speed on!
It depends, but I'm pretty fond of those cooldown boots. I wish the looked better though, they're not very stylish.
Fighting in the fields of justice just doesn't seem right wearing weird looking shoes


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03-18-2011 02:10 PM
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RE: Get Your Speed on!
(03-18-2011 01:48 PM)Silphon Wrote:  I don't know =/ there are just so many other options to get to boost your chase, escape speed, like FoN and Dancers, BoS is just a waste of an item, except for that ealy game boost of speed that you get that eventually dissipates during meta-game. But I wouldn't go as far as to say people suck if they grab em, I would urge them to grab dancers or FoN instead, but that's all.

Edit: Ghostblade also, one of the better melee carry items a lot of people neglect, boosting speed and aspd every few seconds is like having a lesser ghost with a cool sound effect.

A fair point, but who's gonna buy FoN or PD on Zilean?
Generally with Cho when I played him I had both BoS and FoN.
For the dudes I generally play, I enjoy BoS, it's my preference.


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03-18-2011 02:12 PM
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RE: Get Your Speed on!
(03-18-2011 11:05 AM)covacombo Wrote:  high ranked people do not consider Berz. boots as a "top" item.

we can always say, "yoyo, a carry is hiding in brush and picking off enemies while a main tank aggroes every single enemies because he is a tank, so a carry should not go any HP item."

lolno doesn't really work that way.

also; please, don't say u r wrong or u r doing it wrong cuz u r not thinking what i am thinking.

this is a game where there are 100+ items and you can choose w.e. you want to build as long as you want to.

i can just say you are shit at this game because i never get BoS cuz its silly since other

boots have better stats.

or maybe i can say u r dumb cuz u never go for ragebalde as akali

since i used to main akali and know how good it is.

Boots is a basic item, but can affect game play in a huge way. it is a very situational item.

1) I like how you hide half the silly rudeness inside of white posting.

2) You can deny it if you like, but Berserker Greaves is a decent item. They're cheap as dirt and are good on ranged carries, who need to be outside the fight anyways. No, don't build nothing but glass cannon when they have assassins but dear god, learn some positioning! If you're getting targetted, you're too close or your tank isn't doing their job.

And lolyes, it does work that way.

3)I don't care about Akali, or about rageblade.

4) Never said they weren't situational choices. I personally usually get Merc Treads, but I don't usually play ranged carries.

5) I can say you're wrong if you're saying something that's flat out false, such as: Berzerker Greaves are useless.



EDIT: Post got cut, somehow :<


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03-18-2011 02:23 PM
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RE: Get Your Speed on!
(03-18-2011 02:10 PM)RockyRaccoon Wrote:  
(03-18-2011 01:48 PM)Silphon Wrote:  I don't know =/ there are just so many other options to get to boost your chase, escape speed, like FoN and Dancers, BoS is just a waste of an item, except for that ealy game boost of speed that you get that eventually dissipates during meta-game. But I wouldn't go as far as to say people suck if they grab em, I would urge them to grab dancers or FoN instead, but that's all.

Edit: Ghostblade also, one of the better melee carry items a lot of people neglect, boosting speed and aspd every few seconds is like having a lesser ghost with a cool sound effect.

A fair point, but who's gonna buy FoN or PD on Zilean?
Generally with Cho when I played him I had both BoS and FoN.
For the dudes I generally play, I enjoy BoS, it's my preference.

Good point, I usually have BoS on reserve for champions like Ashe or weird mages like zilean because they don't need much item wise, give zilean 100 Ap and he wrecks your team (though i know they just boosted the amount of mana needed for his bombs now so I'd hate to see how he is now item wise, may need a chalice, heh.

Overall, I don't ever think BoS are a bad choice for certain people, but what a lot of people do, and what makes me rage a lot, is they don't analyze the situation. A lot of people will do the following:

Melee Carries/Initiators:
Hmmmmmmm, Okay so we have Nunu, Rammus, and Fiddle...damn that's a lot of CC...I think I'll take...zerker!

then the entire match they are yelling at their own team because they are getting tons of focus cc on them and blame everyone else for it, rather than take a slight dive in aspd and pick up some merc treads. People like that just need to uninstall, it makes the game a better place without them :<


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