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Anybody have an idea why?
04-16-2011 04:16 PM
AndrzejAlso
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Anybody have an idea why?
Why there is no pure +damage item?

There is a pure ap item, there is a pure hp item, there are items that fit tanks, there are items that fit dps, there are items that fit mages.

Now is my question, where are the items that fit physical burst / scaling with ad champions?
I know there is not much of them at the moment, I'd say only Pantheon and Lee Sin, but Morello recently said that he wants to make bruisers have less base damage from abilities, but add nice ad scaling to them.

Everytime I played Pantheon, I built doran, brutalizer, boots of lucidity, and then.. I wasn't sure what to get. All I needed at this point was ad, and my options were: The Black Cleaver, Bloodthirster, Infinity Edge.

First of these gives now attack speed (which is a waste for Pantheon) and not so big damage. Bloodthirster seems to be good choice, but being meele means that avoiding death is almost impossible, unless your enemies are dumb, or you play like a coward. Third is expensive a lot and the crit chance doesn't help a lot.

Since Pantheon is meele, you have to get about 3 defensive items if you want to do anything later in game. If you add boots to that, then you have only 2 slots for offensive items, so every wasted stat on any of these hurts much more.

Lee Sin experiences less of these problems since he has to do some autoattacking to maintain his energy, but his ratios are almost shouting: "OMG GET AD!!!".

So why there is no item that gives pure ad? Would it be overpowered for any champion? I just don't get it. Does anybody have any idea why?


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04-16-2011 04:43 PM
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RE: Anybody have an idea why?
pure dmg = neglects armor = wtf?

get fucking armorpen.



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04-16-2011 04:50 PM
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RE: Anybody have an idea why?
Pure damage is not true damage. I'm talking about item that would give only attack damage, no hit effects or other stats that are worthless for Pantheon and potentially other phys burst champions.


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04-16-2011 04:56 PM
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RE: Anybody have an idea why?
Long Sword. LOL

Get a Last Whisper (AD + Armor Penetration)

How could an AD champ not want that?

What's wrong with the other effects anyway? I find Black Cleaver giving AD and a reducing armor effect as well as Bloodthirster for AD and lifesteal really handy.



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04-16-2011 05:14 PM
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RE: Anybody have an idea why?
What he's trying to say is, AD works differently with Armor compared to AP vs Mag Res.

If you got a tanky champ, all a DPS champ has to do is say, you know what, fuck it, I'll just stack up AD and cancel out his armor out right.

Besides if you bother to get sword of the occult, that item can snowball pretty hard, and makes deadly champs, even deadlier, all you'd need is sword of the occult and Black Cleaver then stack on the Arm Pen and you get a tank shredding machine, especially on champs like Nocturne, giving a champion like him anymore pure AD would make people cry each game.

Want more damage, build smart, and stack up the arm pen and armor reduc. If anything I'd say there needs to be one or two more armor reduction items, abyss scepter is pretty damaging for AP, and it stacks with multiple champs I do believe, where as Black Cleaver doesn't sadly.



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04-16-2011 05:28 PM
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RE: Anybody have an idea why?
(04-16-2011 04:50 PM)AndrzejAlso Wrote:  Pure damage is not true damage. I'm talking about item that would give only attack damage, no hit effects or other stats that are worthless for Pantheon and potentially other phys burst champions.

do you know what feast says...it says 'pure damage'


you put the word 'pure' in a wrong way.



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04-16-2011 06:26 PM
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RE: Anybody have an idea why?
I have no idea why there isn't an item that only yields AD. I don't think it would be over powered for anyone even though physical characters usually have higher ratios compared to casters. I would like to see what would happen if there was such an item though.


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04-16-2011 08:44 PM
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RE: Anybody have an idea why?
B.F. Swords would like to have a word with you.

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04-17-2011 03:13 AM
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RE: Anybody have an idea why?
(04-16-2011 08:44 PM)Valitrix Wrote:  B.F. Swords would like to have a word with you.

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This.

Anyway, I think it's because AD increases the amount done with auto attack, having pure +AD ("pure" whilst giving outrageous amounts) would be way too OP for any DPS champion.

Reason why there are outrageous +AP items (like Deathcap) without being imbalanced is because all champions that rely on AP can't spam it in any way. If they could (like Evelynn's Hate Spike), the AP scales relatively poor anyway.



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04-17-2011 06:45 AM
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RE: Anybody have an idea why?
Karthus's Lay Waste hits like a fucking truck.

1 second cooldown.



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